Friday, June 30, 2006

 

Is the Calvinist Gadfly Now a Hyper-Calvinist Gadfly?

Mr. Alan Kurschner seems to have morphed into a different type of gadfly. His view of the cause of Adam and Lucifer's sin seems to have pushed him beyond the teachings of traditional Calvinism into that of Hyper-Calvinism. While most Reformed people will claim mystery or free choice as the cause of Adam's sin, Alan claims God decreed Adam to sin. This makes God the author or cause of sin.

Here is what Kurschner had to say about Lucifer's reason for sinning:
"You first have to ask this question: Who gave Lucifer the desire not to sin? Answer: God. Was this gracious for God to give Lucifer this desire not to sin? Answer: yes. So, does God not have the freedom to remove his hand of grace from Lucifer? Answer: yes. If God chose to remove his hand from Lucifer, then Lucifer in and of himself being a creature apart from God’s grace would allow him to have this desire to sin. Lucifer had the desire to sin because God removed what enabled him in the first place to not sin."

So here we have Kurschner admitting that God can reove his grace from good creatures. But this is the biblical account of the real reason behind Lucifer's rebellion against God.
How YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM HEAVEN, O morning star, son of the dawn! YOU HAVE BEEN CAST DOWN TO THE EARTH, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds. I WILL MAKE MYSELF LIKE THE MOST HIGH.’”—Isaiah 14:12-14. And “Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth.”—Ezekiel 28:17.

Here is what Alan had to say about the cause of Adam's sin:
"It was God’s freedom to widthraw his hand of grace from Adam, and in so doing it was Adam left apart from God’s grace who desired to sin. That is gross to suggest that God is the cause of sin because he chose to widthraw his hand of grace from the creature."

What the Calvinist Gadfly fails to realize is that Adam was made in God's own image and was declared to be a good creature. Alan's explanation moves well beyond Calvinism into Hyper-Calvinism. Here is what R.C. Sproul had to say when presented with the same question concerning Adam:
“But Adam and Eve were not created fallen. They had no sin nature. They were good creatures with a free will. Yet they chose to sin. Why? I don’t know. Nor have I found anyone yet who does know.”

And here is John Gerstner's reply to Geisler when asked who gave Lucifer the desire to rebel against God?:
Gerstner replied “Mystery,mystery, a great mystery!”

And finally here is what John MacArthur had to say concerning the why Adam sinned:
“Why did Adam sin? The best answer to that is that Adam sinned because he loved Eve and once she was what she was, he wanted to be what she was. In addition to that, there is no answer. But apparently–and most scholars say–to be what Eve was. I mean, at that point he didn’t have a lot of choice; she was the only woman around! If you wanted any kind of compatibility, that was how it was. It shows you the foolishness of man’s first decision.”

Notice here how MacArthur places the cause solely on Adam's free choice! The answers given by Sproul, Gerstner, And MacArthur are quite different from the answers Alan gives.
Here is how Monergism.com defines Hyper-Calvinsm:
Most Calvinists reject as deplorable the following hyper-Calvinistic and destructive beliefs:
that God is the author of sin and of evil

This is where Alan's view of God removing grace on his good creature falls into the theology of Hyper-Calvinism. Our Calvinist Gadfly seems to have changed into a Hyper-Calvinist Gadfly!

Comments:
Um... what makes you think Isa 14:12-14 is speaking of Satan? I mean, I know it has traditionally been attributed to him (whereas the Eze passage seems a bit more clear.. but still... king of Tyre?)

Is it your position that God created Adam and Satan autonomous from His knowledge and foreordination?
 
Also: "Why did Adam sin? The best answer to that is that Adam sinned because he loved Eve and once she was what she was, he wanted to be what she was. In addition to that, there is no answer."

Uh.. where is this found in Scripture?
 
I believe in the plain, literal interpretation of scripture.
Isa 14:12-14
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Who else has fallen from heaven?

And when viewed with Eze 28:13-18 it is clear that God is referring to Satan.
Is my position that God created Adam and Satan autonomous from His knowledge and foreordination? No. But I do believe Adam was created a good and sinless creature. And according to the Reformed standard view of the will (Edwards), men must act according to their strongest desire based on their nature. So this presents a problem to what caused Adam to sin since his nature was good and sinless. When did his nature change from a good nature to a sinful nature? After he sinned. Before he sinned his nature could not bring about the desire to sin according to Edwards' view of the will. While Reformed theologians such Sproul, Gerstner, and MacArthur will claim either mystery or free choice, Alan has gone past these normal responses into a response that reflects a hyper-Calvinist view.

In response to you writing "Why did Adam sin?" I didn't write that it was a quote from John MacArthur.
 
I really need to ask why you bother with this continued attack on Alan. As far as I can tell, he is making a valid attempt to understand why both Satan and Adam fell. It is complimentary in the scheme of things to say that even in a sinless state, these two creatures were utterly dependant on God for their moral existence. The logical conclusion to this hypothesis is that God witheld His grace and they drifted towards rebellion. I don't see why this makes God the author of sin - and I don't see why you need to accuse Alan of hyper-calvinism because of it.
Personally I find it a wasted exercise to dwell on this question concerning why they fell.
 
Kletois,

Thanks for responding. As for Alan, he is the one who continued to post comments about me after he banned me from his sight. Second, I am not an Arminian and I have told him this before and yet he still continues to lable me as such. I lable him a hyper-Calvinist based on the same criteria he uses to lable those he calls Arminians. Third, if anyone is doing the attacking it is Alan. He is the one who labled my comments as "school-girl enthusiam". This is uncalled for and immature.

You state "The logical conclusion to this hypothesis is that God witheld His grace and they drifted towards rebellion." This not what scriptures say concerning the reason for Adam and Lucifer's sin. Also, even if God did withdraw his grace from Adam this still fails to explain how Adam received his desire to sin. I hate to sound like a broken record but according to the standard Reformed view of the will, men must act according to their strongest desires based on their natures. Pre-sin Adam's nature was without sin and so a desire to sin would have been foreign to him. In this view, man's nature dictates what kind of action he can do (good or bad). What prompted this change in his nature that allowed him to sin?

For example, an unregenate man cannot do what is pleasing to God, according to Edwards' view of the will. This is because of his sinful nature. His strongest desire can lead only to sin. God's holiness demands judgement on those who sin against Him but Adam was declared good and without sin. God may withdraw his "grace" from us because we all have sinned and this is to be expected, but pre-sin Adam had yet to commit a sin against God. This is where Alan fails to differentiate and it is this distinction that reveals the flaws in Alan's theology.

Thanks,

Rob
 
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